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Postby stcordova » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:12 pm

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Postby stcordova » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:31 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/Creation/comme ... n/dw8c770/

Ok, the ENCODE project.

The irony is that major players on the evolution side and creation side have agreed if the NIH ENCODE project is correct, then evolution is false.

Evolutionary biologist Dan Graur said: "If ENCODE is right, evolution is wrong."

This is based on mutational load theory. Simply put, if a couple has 10 kids, and all 10 kids have some mild birth defect in their DNA (usually not immediately detectable since it is so slight), then even assuming natural selection, since all the kids are more sickly than their parents, evolution and natural selection can't lead to improvement. Nobel Prize winner Hermann Muller who did research of mutations deduced if each person has on average 1 bad mutation per generation, the human race will be deteriorating.

This level of bad mutation will be the case if the DNA in humans is mostly functional. This is because most mutations are bad (say 90-99.999%), and with a mutation rate of about 100 DNA bases per person per generation, then this implies we are way past Muller's limit as we are having about 100 bad mutation per kid per generation. There is good evidence, of this, btw....

Evolutionary biologists, faced with this problem have said the solution is to assume most of the human genome is junk, and therefore there aren't really that many bad mutations per kid. And btw, genetic deterioration rather than improvement goes contrary to the notion that evolution improves things. Genetic De-evolution suggests something other than evolution created human beings in a better state once upon a time before they started to deteriorate....er, like Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.

The ENCODE consortium is a consoritum that studies the DNA/chromatin complexes as part of understanding heritable diseases and cancer argues that the evolutionary biologists are wrong because the human genome is 80-100% functional.

The ENCODE consortium has over 200 researchers from the world's top academic institutions from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, etc, and it as well as sister projects have invested close to 1 billion dollars.

Evolutionary biologists like Dan Graur were livid calling the NIH-funded researchers: "crooks", "ignoramuses", "the scientific equivalent of Saddam Hussein" etc.

Ah yes, the old fights over money and prestige. Graur is mad that medical researchers are getting a large cut of government grants and that he's being relegated to irrelevance. He accuses the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, of being a creationist.

OK, for your edification.

Regarding Graur and ENCODE specifically (with some philosophy and economics mixed in):

http://www.creationevolutionuniversity. ... aper31.pdf

Here is a rehearsal presentation I gave to faculty and deans at the Christian Scholars Conference of several Christian universities. The actual talk was not exactly like the rehearsal, so I had revised my presentation a bit to clean up some rough spots, but it gives the essentials of my talk.

The video will teach a lot about ENCODE's work and about the Genetic Entropy thesis. Even though ENCODE is not specifically mentioned in the video, chromatin is the focus of 1 billion dollar ENCODE and encode-related projects. This video has a lot of theology in it, but I hope you can look past it and learn something about Chromatin and how the DNA/Chormatin complex functions.

People paid $390 to attend the conference where I and other presented on this, but you get to hear my 22-minute rehearsal of my presentation for FREE:

https://youtu.be/W1QR2cI-Zag
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