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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Thorton » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:28 pm

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby johnspenn » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:47 am

A note on what I meant by "pre-loaded" information:

I will look to the dog as my example. From a wolf, we have all the varied breeds of domesticated dogs today, from the Chihuahua to the Golden Retriever to the St. Bernard.

The the different breeds were intensively bred over time to enhance certain qualities while also diminishing unwanted qualities.

We have, in one case gone from a Wolf to a Chihuahua. The wolf's genome contained enough plasticity to accomplish this transformation.

However, due to the selection process, the Chihuahua no longer has the required information to "revert to form" and be bred back into a wolf. (Using pure bred Chihuahuas only.) I freely admit this is a supposition on my part, but I have no awareness of it ever being scientifically negated.

So, the genomes we see in the species that exist today would not contain ALL of the information that was pre-loaded prior to their transformations. Dogs and cats are prime examples. Lions and tigers can interbreed indicating a very close relation and most likely a common ancestor. That common ancestor had information sufficient to account for both the lion and the tiger. However, all the information contained in that common ancestor is no longer available in the genome of either the lion or the tiger.

Sal, to me this is also a plausible answer to your OP that started this thread. I don't know enough about birds to come up with a number of "original" ancestor species, but I have an idea that it was nowhere near the 10,000 or so that was cited in the article you referenced.
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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Tragic Mishap » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:10 am

Definitions:

Micro-evolution: What can, did and does happen.

Macro-evolution: What cannot, did not and never will happen.

Unless anyone has better definitions.
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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby sterusjon » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:25 am

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby stcordova » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:34 am

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Thorton » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:52 am

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Thorton » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:55 am

I note with some amusement but zero surprise that sterusjon is unwilling and unable to discuss the actual work on cetacean evolution I posted.

Gotta love the YEC approach to science. When the discussion gets tough, the tough YECs get going - going the other way as fast as they can scurry. :lol:
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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby stcordova » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:07 pm

Thornton,

You're banned from this thread according to forum rules. You may post a link to a dissenting discussion according to .

Your behavior stinks so badly, many of the threads I start will have you banned up front. Your voice is not suppressed in this forum, but people don't have to deal with your garbage if they don't want to. Start your own thread and troll yourself to your hearts delight and rail against YECs all you want, just not in this thread any more.
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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby stcordova » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:09 pm

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Thorton » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:17 pm

LOL! Good old Sal always reverts to form. Ban all those scientifically knowledgeable enough to call YECs on their "scientific" horse manure.

We both knew it would only be a matter of time, didn't we Sal. :D Creationism can only exist in a heavily defended echo chamber.

Rest easily, secure in the knowledge YECs like yourself are as big a laughingstock in the scientific community now as you ever were. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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