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YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ark

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Robert Byers » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:51 am

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby drc466 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:52 am

Here is my take on the pre- and post- Ark "macro evolution":

We know that genetic variation can be "built-in" and expressed via genetic mutation and "switching" on-off traits (c.f. dog breeding, blind cave fish, etc.)
The original kinds were created with significant genetic variability built-in (or "pre-loaded").
Over time (2000 years or so), that genetic variability expressed itself into most of the species also known today (cats, dogs, cattle, birds, etc.).
At the time of Noah's Ark, Noah (via God) gathered representative samples of the created kinds that contained the most genetic variability. These kinds would probably have still looked very much like a known species, but would not have included every single expressed variation (e.g. there would be an elephant, but perhaps not a wooly mammoth, mastodon, Indian/Asian variants, etc.).
After the Flood, these representative kinds, similar to but not identical to the original created kinds, once again spread out and expressed much of, but not all, the same genetic variability as pre-Flood.
Now, 5000 years later or so, if we were to once again gather representatives of each kind containing the most genetic variability, we would not need to gather every single "species". However, lacking God's help in gathering the representative kinds, and due to the additional time in which much of the "pre-loaded" variation has been lost due to in-breeding, mutation and extinction, identifying specific species as representative is near impossible (e.g. which wolf/dog/coyote breed would have the most genetic variability? and would it be even close to the breed of 5000 years ago?).

This explains why the fossil record looks very similar to existing species.
This explains why some species (expressed variations?) went extinct due to the Flood.
This explains why 20,000 or fewer Ark animals would have been required to generate all of today's known species, without "macro evolution" (in the sense of mutation generating new information).

So, as long as "macro-evolution" includes expressed variation of pre-existing genetic information due to environmental or other factors, then yes, this YEC is a closet macro evolutionist. Unfortunately, short of genetically mapping and comparing the complete DNA of every known and extinct species, it would be difficult to prove or disprove this thesis.
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Re: YECs are closet macro evolutionists because of Noah's Ar

Postby Robert Byers » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:44 am

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