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Creation Evolution University • View topic - Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billions
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Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billions

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:13 am
by stcordova
Here is the great galaxy in Andromeda. Does that look like a single star in the middle surrounded by a cloud of debris and gas, or is it billions and billions of stars with a whole bunch packed in the middle?
Image

If the galaxies are close, then the cloud around the center point of Andromeda isn't billions and billions of stars, but just debris and gas. Katirai says 1 star! I think Katirai may be correct, why?


See:

I most certainly think what he wrote has flaws. He's an amateur and outsider, but he did a very good job of sniffing out dissenting opinions from great astronomers and sniffing out serious anomalies. If you read it, I recommend the chapters on galaxies. That was the centerpiece of what he argued. You can download his paper from :



Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:49 am
by stcordova
Professor YP Varshni just pointed out that quasar Ton 202 can be observed with proper motion indicating it is about 700 lighty years away, not billions of light years away.

Varshni has now put on the table a quasar that an amateur astronomer can track named Ton 202. It has a redshift of .336 which when I plugged into Ned Wright's calculator gave a distance from emission of 3.3 Giga light years, whereas proper motion survey indicate it lies around 700 light years away. Here is his 2005 paper:



which he comments:

"Amateur astronomers with CCD cameras can confirm quasar proper motion. Three quasars with significant proper motion fit within a 15 arcminute CCD frame. Quasar proper motion would show up as a systematic change in the distance ratio between any two sides of this triangle. Also, the 15th magnitude quasar TON 202 is so bright that even amateurs with very small telescopes can detect it on a CCD."



If quasars are near, it raises the question, why not everything else? Especially if Halton Arp is correct that quasars maybe associated with companion galaxies. At my undergrad alma mater, Menas Kafatos and Sisir Roy argued redshifts may be due to the Wolf-effect rather than expanding space. Especially for quasars this seems to be the case because of the absence of Lorentz-time dilation in quasar "clocks" according to the work of Hawkins at the Royal Observatory.

Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:23 pm
by sterusjon

Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:59 pm
by stcordova

Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:10 pm
by stcordova
Katirai is an amateur astronomer, I'm just a mischief maker, but Varshni is professional, and Talbot not far behind.

They provide evidence that at least some stars have been mistaken for galaxies!

See:


8-)

Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:47 am
by stcordova

Re: Katirai: the Andromeda galaxy contains 1 star, not billi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:13 am
by DillyGill
I have no idea on the science of all of this, however I just Goggled some images of 'distant galaxy' and with a mind that what I was looking at was a single star with dust cloud around it with more distant stars behind it wow based only on (some of) those images you could make an argument for it!!