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For ID and creation science to prosper, the ability to communicate is vital from movies to books to social media to classroom to Sunday sermons. It is also vital to understand how opponents of ID and creation science use and abuse channels of communication. For example, the movie "Inherit the Wind" had tremendous impact on the culture in a way that was harmful to ID and creation science. This forum explores these topics.

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Postby stcordova » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:32 am

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed starring Ben Stein
https://youtu.be/4HErmp5Pzqw

Ben Stein was a Harvard-trained lawyer and speech writer for Republican President Richard M. Nixon. Stein is a movie and TV celebrity.

Stein's documentary movie is about people expelled or persecuted in Academia for sympathizing with Intelligent Design.

ID sympathetic scientists in the movie, many of whom were Expelled who featured in Ben Stein's documentary movie:

Richard von Sternberg, PhD PhD, Evolutionary Biologist NCBI NIH, Smithsonian
Maciej Giertych, PhD Biologist and Prominent member of Polish Parliament
John Lennox, PhD Oxford
Michael Egnor, MD, Stony Brook
Jeffrey Schwartz, MD, UCLA
Robert Marks, PhD Distinguished Professor of Engineering, Head Evolutionary Informatics Lab
Caroline Crocker, PhD, Professor of Biology, George Mason NVCC
Guillermo Gonzalez, PhD Iowa State
Water Bradely, PhD, Distinguished Professor Engineering
Paul Nelson, PhD Biola
David Berlinski, PhD (graduate of Princeton)
Gerald Schroeder PhD, graudate of MIT
Stephen Meyer, PhD Discovery Institute, graduate of Cambridge
Doug Axe, PhD Biologic Institute
William Dembski, PhD Baylor
Steve Fuller, PhD
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Connecting the Designer of QM and ID to the Jesus Christ or the Judeo Christian God. If life is young, would you believe the Designer is the Judeo-Christian God? Jesus Christ, descendent of Old Testament Kings Josiah, Hezekiah, David. Traces all the way back to Adam, son of God.

There are many and often Competing intelligent design theories such as Extra Terrestrials, Omega Point Theory, biological front loading, and the varieties of creationism. There are theories such as front loading (Michael Behe's theory of ID) that accepts common descent of all creatures from a single ancestor, for example. Creationism distinguishes itself from competing ID theories, like front loading by identifying the Designer as the Judeo Christian God and affixing a chronology to design events. Some of this is theologically based (therefore outside of science) and some of it is not.

I am both an ID advocate and a creationist.

Physicist and Priest, Polkinhorne, Christianity distinct from other religions because it makes bold claims about history.
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Evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne said, "In sciences pecking order, evolutionary biology lurks somewhere near the bottom far closer to [the pseudo science of] phrenology than to physics."

It was the lack of DIRECT testability he cited as a vulnerability of evolution.

Many claims of creationism are outside testability and thus outside of science, but some claims are testable, such as the claim by YEC and YLC that the clocks used to date the universe and the fossil record are mis-calibrated. That calibration can be tested over time, some clocks maybe in our lifetime, some clocks outside our lifetime.




Young Life and Young Earth Creationists claim that the clocks used to date the Earth are inaccurate or mis-calibrated. In principle the actual calibration of these clocks can be tested.

Earth and other Planetery Magnetic fields decay. Their rate of decay inconsistent with long ages.

Comets, do all comets eventually disappear in far less than geological time. Not direct evidence of a young universe, but it supportive.

Genetic Entropy. Precision Medicine Initiative and other large scale GWAS studies. Are humans getting sicker and weaker and dumber? Reductive evolution. More species dying than evolving. Not exactly celebrating if the genetic entropy thesis is correct. Some predict human extinction or viability in 100,000 years. Eco system collapse?

Genetic changes Natheniel Jeanson. Increasing homozygosity in subspecies inconsistent with millions of years, but rather Noah's flood. Difficult question in genetics and bio informatics. Non-trivial. Jeanson is bright guy, Harvard trained biologist and stem cell researcher.






Alternative geological models, earthquake prediction, oil and mineral exploration.

Experiments showing amendments to relativity, particularly one-way speed of light... problem of apparent homogenous age in galaxies and stars.

Other clocks: C14 diamonds and carboniferous caol, helium in zircons, erosion rates, mineral concentration in oceans,

Alternative explanations for nucleosynthesis and radio-active decay.

Evolution falsified by ENCODE and ENCODE related projects at NIH.

Y-chromosomal Abraham.
mtDNA Eve
http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles ... -years-old

Y-chromosomal Adam.
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Progress of ID. What do the facts say vs. opinion. For myself over time the facts have been more not less persuasive since I began studying the issue in 2001, 17 years ago.

For example, John Sanford and I wrote a paper falsifying a widely accepted evidence for evolution, namely nylon eating bacteria. Since nylon was invented in 1935, it was presumed a large evolutionary event happened to enable bacteria to digest nylon. Dr. Sanford and I falsified that claim on many levels. Some still use this as evidence of how new genes can evolve in the supposed evolution of primates.

http://www.nylonase.org

Falsified a lot of silly claims by Ken Miller who was an expert witness who provided what we now know is scientifically erroneous data that Judge Jones used to rule against teaching of ID in the Dover District in the famous case Kitzmiller vs. Dover.

Dr. Sanford and I also search literature and showed that present research likely falsifies various theories of supposed JunkDNA. Example:
https://crev.info/2018/01/junk-dna-may- ... er-memory/

John Sanford managed to get 4 or 5 peer-reviewed articles out that are friendly to ID, the most recent being something he co-authored with mathematician Bill Basener on Fisher's Fundamental theorem of Natural Selection.

The facts have progressed like the 1-billion dollar NIH ENCODE and ENCODE related projects. Evolutionary biologists Dan Graur hates ENCODE, called the head of the NIH, Francis Collins a creationist. He calls the ENCODE researchers crooks and ignoramuses and one of them the scientific equivalent of Saddam Hussein. Graur is throwing a tantrum over the data because ENCODE and related projects are demonstrating and integrated level of machine-like technology incompatible with theoretical limits of what can evolve by random mutation and natural selection. "If ENCODE is right, evolution is wrong."

General public. Depressing, look at our education system. Nuff said. Stating the simple biological fact it's natural that women breast feed is now considered unacceptable.
https://youtu.be/zP-lpEOVcmY
If we're not allowed to teach simple facts, how are we going to move forward. I find it WAAAAY easier to teach ID to student with knowledge of chemistry, math, logic and rudimentary biology.

Interesting poll 2009, worth re-running, general public is losing faith in God, but younger generation scientists have a stronger belief in God than the elderly generation of atheistic scientists. I think this could be because of Intelligent Design but also Christians and other believers are finding homes in academia in the hard science rather in disciplines controlled by enemies of free speech such as post-modern, neo-Marxist Socilaist Justice Warriors in disciplines like Ethnic and Gender studies.
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Scientific community rejects ID and creation for the simple reason the God isn't as evident to our every day senses as the air we breathe. God has done a lot to hide the evidence, and man is not doing a lot to find it. Thus men choose to come up with godless explanations, most of which aren't very good nor experimentally testable from a scientific standpoint.

Proverbs 25:2 "It is a glory of God to conceal a matter, the glory of Kings is to search out a matter."

Easter Sunday is coming up. There are Easter egg hunts. Things are deliberately concealed for kids to find. There has to be some willingness to find evidence of design and to see it. Not a lot of willingness.

Fundamental reason is God himself has decided NOT to make ID and creation blatantly obvious such that mostly those who seek Him earnestly with all their heart mind soul and strength will see the truth, and the truth will set them free.

Evolutionary Biologist Richard Sternberg, Paleontologist Gunter Bechley, Origin of Life Researcher Dean Kenyon, Famous Geneticist and Genetic Engineer John Sanford, Parasitologist Richard Lumsden, Biologist and Parliament member Maciej Gyertch, etc.

Mark Armitage: six figure settlement Cal State University Northridge:
https://crev.info/2016/10/mark-armitage ... l-victory/

Richard Sternberg: US Office of Special Counsel and Congressional Republicans could not help him
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Facts don't care about our feelings and belief. Thus faith might only inspire our search for facts, it can't inform us what the facts are. For example, I want to find out how my financial portfolio did today. I hope it is favorable and thus I'm more willing to look, but the facts will be what they will.

Facts may inspire faith.
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