ID vs. Creationism

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ID vs. Creationism

Postby stcordova » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:39 am

There are modern definitions of Intelligent Designs (ID) and Creationism, but it's worth pointing out the distinction existed as far back as Darwin's time, and possibly farther.

Darwin himself said regarding ID:

The point which your raise on intelligent Design has perplexed me beyond all measure…. One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed yet when I look to each individual organism, I can see no evidence of this.

and in Origin of Species regarding creationism:

I view all beings not as special creations, but as the lineal descendants of some few beings which lived long before the first bed of the Silurian system was deposited,

When I asked Stephen Meyer what the distinction was, Meyer said ID asserts something is designed, but doesn't state a specific chronology. Creationism (especially YEC) gives a chronology of events. That's about as good of a distinction as I've seen. I would only add, Creationism (OEC and YEC) asserts a miraculous process that isn't consistent with typical processes. Thus creationism would rule out some sort of front-loaded Deistic kind of Intelligent Design that is implemented via law-like process. It would rule out other ID theories like Pan Spermia or some forms of SETI results.

For example, Fine-Tuning is an argument for ID, but not for supernatural biological special creation.

At Creation Evolution University, here are the things I classify as being of interest to the question of ID in the forum:
Intelligent Design A forum for discussion and criticism of specialized topics relevant (pro and con) to Intelligent Design (ID) -- design detection, design specification, irreducible complexity, origin of life, platonic forms, design matrix, population genetics, cybernetic theories, semiotic theories, Fishers's fundamental theorem, Kimura's neutral evolution, Darwinian evolution, modern synthesis, probability theories, fine tuning, typology, discontinuity systematics, steganography, evolutionary algorithms, published ID material, ID philosophy, front loaded evolution, omega point theory, anthropic principles, multiverses and many-worlds, panspermia, extra terrestrials, teleology in biology, redundant complexity and fault tolerance, algorithmic complexity, complexity measures, no free lunch, blindwatchmakers, bad design, evil design, junk DNA, DNA grammars, von Neumann replicators vs. autocatalysis, Quines, polyconstrained DNA, Mendel's Accountant, DNA skittle, re-association kinetics, molecular clocks, GGU/GID models, enigma of consciousness and Quantum Mechanics, Turing machines, Lenski's bacteria, thermodynamics, Avida, self organization, self disorganization, generalized entropy, Cambrian explosion, genetic entropy, Shannon information, proscriptive information, Programming of Life, law of large numbers, etc.

and creationism

Creation Science A forum for discussion and criticism of specialized topics relevant (pro and con) to Creation Science - fossil dating, flood geology, C14, K/Ar, radio metric dating, diffusion dating, racemization dating, DNA dating, stellar and planetary evolution, erosion dating, fast stratification, interpretations of the geological column, baraminology, distant starlight problem, Y-chromosomal Adam/Noah/Aaron/Abraham, mitochondrial Eve, Tower of Babel, Proton-21 laboratory, Sodom and Gomorrah, OEC,YEC, Progressive creation, white hole cosmology, Carmeli cosmology, VSL theories, alternate electrodynamics, mantle plume theories, folding rock theories, RATE work, planetary magnetism, faint young sun paradox, moon recession, ocean mineral saturation, astrometry and proper motion surveys, very long baseline interferometry, CMBR, moon evolution, cosmological vs. non-cosmological red shifts, polonium halos, Hydro Plates and Castastrophic Plates, varves, tree rings, noah's ark, over thrusts, lithification, hydrologic sorting, canopy theory, crater theory, planetary heating, ancient civilizations, Atlantis, trophical trees in the arctic, woolly mammoths and tropical trees in Siberia, UFOs and creationism, comets and orbital mechanics, planet satellite capture problems, planetary rings, origin of folded rocks, the Grand Canyon, the Green River valley, the Three Sisters, mountain formation, seafloor formation, tectonics, etc.
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