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Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

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Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

Postby stcordova » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:49 am

This thread is to discuss my articles at UD pertaining to neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution.





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Re: Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

Postby Tragic Mishap » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:41 pm

Clearly I need to learn more about population genetics.

Can you walk me through the dust-up with vjtorley? I'll explain how I understood it. Maybe you can expand or correct me.

Torley was arguing that neutral theory could not account for the number of genetic differences between humans and chimps, meaning the number of mutations away from a common ancestor which became fixed in their respective populations. And he was wrong about that. Neutral theory can, in the allotted time, account for the raw number of fixed mutations from the human/chimp common ancestor.

Do I have it right?
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Re: Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

Postby stcordova » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:37 pm

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Re: Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

Postby johnspenn » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:30 pm

Does Neutral Theory have any greater explanatory power than Darwinian Evolution?

Does it explain OOL?

Does it explain where the complex specified information contained in DNA comes from?

Does it explain the appearance of irreducibly complex cellular machinery such as the flagellar motor?

Does it explain how life transitions from one body plan to the next, ie from single to multiple celled animals, the Cambrian explosion, the emergence of fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals, and humans in a logical and credible fashion?

Or, is it just another case of "The Emperor Has New Clothes"?
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Re: Neutral theory and non-Darwinian evolution for newbies

Postby stcordova » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:33 am

john,

It depends which version of neutral theory one is considering, the evolutionist version or the YEC version.


The YEC version of neutral theory is evidence humanity is young because we should be dead 100 times over if we had been evolving the way we actually see we're evolving today (each generation is slightly sicker than the parents).

The evolutionist version of neutral fails exactly for the reasons you describe.
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