GOPcord Q&A

For ID and creation science to prosper, the ability to communicate is vital from movies to books to social media to classroom to Sunday sermons. It is also vital to understand how opponents of ID and creation science use and abuse channels of communication. For example, the movie "Inherit the Wind" had tremendous impact on the culture in a way that was harmful to ID and creation science. This forum explores these topics.

GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:26 am

OPENING REMARKS

I’m Salvador Cordova, and I’d like to thank everyone here for giving me a chance to introduce my work.

In 2001, as my father was terminally ill, I nearly left the Christian faith because I was troubled by 3 major questions.

1.if there is a God, why did He let the world become such an evil place, in other words, why did he let a snake into the Garden of Eden.

2.Why is God so hidden? In other words, why is he not as evident as the air we breath but instead we are left to wonder if God is just a figment of our imagination?

3. What is the evidence of God? In other words, is there evidence of miracles, because if there are miracles, there must be a miracle maker.

The theories of intelligent design and creation have convinced me there is evidence of miracles, and I’ve concluded that in addition to seeing miraculous prayers answers in Jesus name, biology is a testament to the miracle of life.

After I found satisfying answers to these three questions, I was restored to the Christian faith.

I own a small investment and research business. My principal client for my research work is world-famous applied geneticist John C. Sanford a now retired Professor at Cornell of 40 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Sanford
http://americanhistory.si.edu/collectio ... ah_1167050

A sizable fraction of all the genetically modified organisms (GMOs) on planet Earth were synthesized through the gene-gun technology pioneered by Dr. Sanford. A model of his gene gun has been featured at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History.

Like myself Dr. Sanford at one time believed in evolution, but subsequently rejected evolution in favor of the theories of intelligent design and special creation by God through a miraculous process. One of Dr. Sanford’s goals for creating GMOs was to help feed the starving masses on the planet. But as Dr. Sanford genetically re-engineered plant genomes, he eventually concluded there must have been a Great Genetic Engineer in the Sky who created the original genomes found in life.

In 2014, I signed a contract with Dr. Sanford’s foundation to do research including investigative reporting work on developments at the National Institutes of Health, the NIH, particularly the billion-dollar ENCODE and ENCODE-related projects which have upset certain evolutionary biologists.

ENCODE has uncovered spectacular computer-like machines in the human cells, particularly what are known as Chromatin complexes. There are about 100 trillion cells in the human body, and thus 100 trillion networked computer-like machines in every adult human.

In fact some have said the human nervous system has more connections than all the routers and switches on the entire global internet.

As the NIH ENCODE and ENCODE-related projects have highlighted the amazing nano-technology in the human genome which evolutionary biologists even to day insist in junk rather than exquisite technology, evolutionary biologists like Dan Graur have said, “IF ENCODE is right, then evolution is wrong.”

Because it is becoming apparent that recent scientific discoveries at the NIH are upsetting evolutionary biologists like Dan Gruar, I was called upon to investigate research developments such as ENCODE and other projects at the National Institutes of Health.

I’m a former scientist and engineer in the defense and aerospace industry, but I am now being retrained in molecular biology and biophysics through the generous financial support of Dr. Sanford’s foundation.

One of Dr. Sanford’s landmark claims in support of the theology of a literal Adam and Eve is his genetic entropy thesis which predicts the human genome is slowly dying. Jesus said, “this world is passing away” and it appears our genomes and the human race are at risk of eventual extinction due to accumulation of harmful gene mutations.

Although this is grims news for humanity in this life, to the extent that the genetic entropy thesis confirms the Adam and Eve account of the Bible it lends credibility Christian faith, and thus in this sense it is good news.

Dr. Sanford’s thesis is testable especially in light of NIH initiatives like the NIH Precision Medicine Initiative which is slated track the genomes of 1 million people. Thus we might have the chance to actually see if over time the human genome is indeed deteriorating.
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:30 am

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Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed starring Ben Stein
https://youtu.be/4HErmp5Pzqw

Ben Stein was a Harvard-trained lawyer and speech writer for Republican President Richard M. Nixon. Stein is a movie and TV celebrity.

Stein's documentary movie is about people expelled or persecuted in Academia for sympathizing with Intelligent Design.

ID sympathetic scientists in the movie, many of whom were Expelled who featured in Ben Stein's documentary movie:

Richard von Sternberg, PhD PhD, Evolutionary Biologist NCBI NIH, Smithsonian
Maciej Giertych, PhD Biologist and Prominent member of Polish Parliament
John Lennox, PhD Oxford
Michael Egnor, MD, Stony Brook
Jeffrey Schwartz, MD, UCLA
Robert Marks, PhD Distinguished Professor of Engineering, Head Evolutionary Informatics Lab
Caroline Crocker, PhD, Professor of Biology, George Mason NVCC
Guillermo Gonzalez, PhD Iowa State
Water Bradely, PhD, Distinguished Professor Engineering
Paul Nelson, PhD Biola
David Berlinski, PhD (graduate of Princeton)
Gerald Schroeder PhD, graudate of MIT
Stephen Meyer, PhD Discovery Institute, graduate of Cambridge
Doug Axe, PhD Biologic Institute
William Dembski, PhD Baylor
Steve Fuller, PhD


Romans 1:18-20
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven ... For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.


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John 10:38
even though you do not believe me, believe the works


Thomas Jefferson Quotes on ID:
I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition.
....
waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles, insects mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organised as man or mammoth, the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Cicero:
When you see a sundial or a water-clock, you see that it tells the time by design and not by chance. How then can you imagine that the universe as a whole is devoid of purpose and intelligence, when it embraces everything, including these artifacts themselves and their artificers?

— Cicero, De Natura Deorum, ii. 34, M.T.CiceroDe natura Deorum(the nature of the gods),book II,XXIV


Darwin himself, though he rejected ID understood the argument:
intelligent Design has perplexed me beyond all measure….
One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed yet when I look to each individual organism, I can see no evidence of this.



Physicist FJ Belinfante in his book Measurements and time reversal in objective quantum theory


We thus see how quantum theory requires the existence of God. Of course, it does not ascribe to God defined in this way any of the specific additional qualities that the various existing religious doctrines ascribed to God. Acceptance of such doctrines is a matter of faith and belief.
If elementary systems do not “possess” quantitatively determinate properties, apparently God determines these properties as we measure them. We also observe the fact, unexplainable but experimentally well established, that God in His decisions about the outcomes of our experiments shows habits so regular that we can express them in the form of statistical laws of nature. This apparent determinism in macroscopic nature has hidden God and His personal influence on the universe from the eyes of many outstanding scientists.
F.J. Belinfante


and

Now we are beginning to see that quantum mechanics might actually exclude any possibility of mind-independent reality….

Why do people cling with such ferocity to belief in a mind-independent reality? It is surely because if there is no such reality, then ultimately (as far as we can know) mind alone exists. And if mind is not a product of real matter, but rather is the creator of the illusion of material reality (which has, in fact, despite the materialists, been known to be the case, since the discovery of quantum mechanics in 1925), then a theistic view of our existence becomes the only rational alternative to solipsism.

Richard Conn Henry and Stephen R. Palmquist
Journal of Scientific Exploration Issue 21-3


and

As a physicist, I am aware that quantum mechanics, the central theory of modern physics, is even more deterministic that was the classical mechanics of which Darwin was aware. More than this, quantum mechanics is actually teleological, though physicists don’t use this loaded word (we call it “unitarity” instead of “teleology”). That is, quantum mechanics says that it is completely correct to say that the universe’s evolution is determined not by how it started in the Big Bang, but by the final state of the universe. Every stage of universal history, including every stage of biological and human history, is determined by the ultimate goal of the universe. And if I am correct that the universal final state is indeed God, then every stage of universal history, in particular every mutation that has ever occurred, or ever will occur in any living being, is determined by the action of God.

Frank Tipler
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:36 am

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Life is a computerized 3D self-manufactring machine. Machines like that don't spontaneously emerge from a soup of lifeless chemicals any more than a tornado passing through a junkyard creates a 747. Even evolutionary biologists admit, natural selection doesn't solve the problem of the origin of life because Natural selection assumes life must already exist for natural selection to work.

If you find it hard to believe life is a 3D self-manufacturing computer, I encourage you to study the matter more. The programming of life video is a start.

http://programmingoflife.com/programming-of-life/

There are other videos like the Illustra Video, Unlocking the mystery of life:
https://youtu.be/CAc9oNjXe0M
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:40 am

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It is the question that even evolutionary biologists say doesn't evolutionary theory does not explain, namely the origin of the first life. It is where natural selection cannot work, becuase natural seleciton cannot work on creaturs that are non-living.

Time is not the friend of the orign of the first life. If we consider tornado passing throug a junk yard, the longer it stays the less likely a functioning machine like a 747 jet liner will emerge. There is something analogous in play with the problem of the origin of life. When something is dead, as more time passes, if it not resuccitated, it become more dead, not less. This is like putting a frog in a blender and expecting to reconstitute itself into a frog by running the blender for millions of years.

https://evolutionnews.org/2016/11/fred_hoyle_inte/

There is a natural direction of chemical reactions. This can be described by things like the Gibbs free energy and other considerations.


We understand the reasons for this from a scientific standpoint better than at any other time in history.

One could spend years studying why. But briefly the cell is like a self-replicating coputerized factory. It is not like a simple chemical replicator. Salt-crystals replicate, so to speak. That's not the kind of replicaiton happening in life.

The connection between computer architecture and life is described by the video:
http://programmingoflife.com/programming-of-life/

Don Johnson has a PhD in chemistry and a 2nd Phd in computer science and worked in the field of recombinant DNA. He used to be an evolutionist until he studied these problems.
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:59 am

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Main reason millennials are leaving the church:
http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/atheism- ... eration-z/

The more I studied ID and creation, ironically at the same time, at some level I began to wish it weren't true because the God who created humans must then have also created the plagues of Egypt and the intelligently designed bacteria in the world, and the cruel constructs of predatory creatures like predators that kill in various cruel ways from biting, tearing, poisoning, electrocuting, zombifying.

What a book a devil’s chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low, and horribly cruel work of nature!

Charles Darwin


and
I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created parasitic wasps with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars.

Charles Darwin


Wasp Caterpillar :
https://youtu.be/vMG-LWyNcAs

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Darwin's daughter died, that influenced his views about God. Darwin said this of suffering in general:

This very old argument from the existence of suffering against the existence of an intelligent first cause seems to me a strong one;
Charles Darwin



Jesus predicted wars and climate change, there will be:
“wars and rumors of wars..famines…pestilence…earthquakes.”


So why and evil world? A couple of answers. Consider a great novel or story or drama. If there is a happy ending, what usually is a necessary element for that. Don't great dramas have villains and tragedies along the way to a happy ending? What great archytal story doesn't not have some evil in it. The possibility of evil makes what is good even more poignantly good. The Bible follows an archetypal plot on many many levels.

Do we want a reality that is sterilized from pain or loss. Consider the superbowl or world series or competitive sports. The fact there are winning teams and losing teams is what makes the game compelling and beautiful. Some decades ago, some adult insisted that it was a bad thing to let little league baseball teams ever lose games. So the game rules were that both teams were declared winners after the game. That didn't last very long because they found out the kids were keeping score.

There is a young man in my church terminally ill. What can we possibly say to him. The Apostle Paul said:
"This momentary light affliction is creating for us a weight of glory that is beyond all compare." The suffering of this present life is important to creating meaning for the next life.

Evolutionary theorists in Darwin's time thought the universe would live forever. The development of the 2nd law of thermodynamics falsified this as it predicted the universe would one day die.

The Atheist Betrand Russel ironically inspired me to be a Christian:
https://www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/264/fmw.htm
Such, in outline, but even more purposeless, more void of meaning, is the world which Science presents for our belief. Amid such a world, if anywhere, our ideals henceforward must find a home. That Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins--all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul's habitation henceforth be safely built.


At that point, as much as I respected and valued the skepticism of atheism, I realized it didn't have answers for my search for meaning. The 2nd law implies the universe will end, but it also implies the universe had a beginning, and a universe having a beginning suggests that some got the universe started -- like God.

One of the pioneers of the 2nd law of thermodynamics was Lord Kelvin.

In pondering the consequences of this law, Kelvin said:
https://crev.info/scientists/william-th ... rd-kelvin/

“We have the sober scientific certainty that the heavens and earth shall ‘wax old as doth a garment’1 …
Dark indeed would be the prospects for the human race if unilluminated by that light which reveals ‘new heavens and a new earth.’2”
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:35 am

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Facts don't care about our feelings and belief. Thus faith might only inspire our search for facts, it can't inform us what the facts are. For example, I want to find out how my financial portfolio did today. I hope it is favorable and thus I'm more willing to look, but the facts will be what they will.

Facts may inspire faith.
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:49 am

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Progress of ID. What do the facts say vs. opinion. For myself over time the facts have been more not less persuasive since I began studying the issue in 2001, 17 years ago.

For example, John Sanford and I wrote a paper falsifying a widely accepted evidence for evolution, namely nylon eating bacteria. Since nylon was invented in 1935, it was presumed a large evolutionary event happened to enable bacteria to digest nylon. Dr. Sanford and I falsified that claim on many levels. Some still use this as evidence of how new genes can evolve in the supposed evolution of primates.

http://www.nylonase.org

Falsified a lot of silly claims by Ken Miller who was an expert witness who provided what we now know is scientifically erroneous data that Judge Jones used to rule against teaching of ID in the Dover District in the famous case Kitzmiller vs. Dover.

Dr. Sanford and I also search literature and showed that present research likely falsifies various theories of supposed JunkDNA. Example:
https://crev.info/2018/01/junk-dna-may- ... er-memory/

John Sanford managed to get 4 or 5 peer-reviewed articles out that are friendly to ID, the most recent being something he co-authored with mathematician Bill Basener on Fisher's Fundamental theorem of Natural Selection.

The facts have progressed like the 1-billion dollar NIH ENCODE and ENCODE related projects. Evolutionary biologists Dan Graur hates ENCODE, called the head of the NIH, Francis Collins a creationist. He calls the ENCODE researchers crooks and ignoramuses and one of them the scientific equivalent of Saddam Hussein. Graur is throwing a tantrum over the data because ENCODE and related projects are demonstrating and integrated level of machine-like technology incompatible with theoretical limits of what can evolve by random mutation and natural selection. "If ENCODE is right, evolution is wrong."

General public. Depressing, look at our education system. Nuff said. Stating the simple biological fact it's natural that women breast feed is now considered unacceptable.
https://youtu.be/zP-lpEOVcmY
If we're not allowed to teach simple facts, how are we going to move forward. I find it WAAAAY easier to teach ID to student with knowledge of chemistry, math, logic and rudimentary biology.

Interesting poll 2009, worth re-running, general public is losing faith in God, but younger generation scientists have a stronger belief in God than the elderly generation of atheistic scientists. I think this could be because of Intelligent Design but also Christians and other believers are finding homes in academia in the hard science rather in disciplines controlled by enemies of free speech such as post-modern, neo-Marxist Socilaist Justice Warriors in disciplines like Ethnic and Gender studies.
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

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https://business.highbeam.com/4776/arti ... psychology

Evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne said, "In sciences pecking order, evolutionary biology lurks somewhere near the bottom far closer to [the pseudo science of] phrenology than to physics."

It was the lack of DIRECT testability he cited as a vulnerability of evolution.

Many claims of creationism are outside testability and thus outside of science, but some claims are testable, such as the claim by YEC and YLC that the clocks used to date the universe and the fossil record are mis-calibrated. That calibration can be tested over time, some clocks maybe in our lifetime, some clocks outside our lifetime.




Young Life and Young Earth Creationists claim that the clocks used to date the Earth are inaccurate or mis-calibrated. In principle the actual calibration of these clocks can be tested.

Earth and other Planetery Magnetic fields decay. Their rate of decay inconsistent with long ages.
http://www.icr.org/article/earths-magnetic-field-young/

Comets, do all comets eventually disappear in far less than geological time. Not direct evidence of a young universe, but it supportive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1b7U2DP1o

Genetic Entropy. Precision Medicine Initiative and other large scale GWAS studies. Are humans getting sicker and weaker and dumber?
http://www.geneticentropy.org/

Reductive evolution. More species dying than evolving. Not exactly celebrating if the genetic entropy thesis is correct. Some predict human extinction or viability in 100,000 years. Eco system collapse?


Genetic changes Natheniel Jeanson. Increasing homozygosity in subspecies inconsistent with millions of years, but rather Noah's flood. Difficult question in genetics and bio informatics. Non-trivial. Jeanson is bright guy, Harvard trained biologist and stem cell researcher.

https://answersingenesis.org/natural-se ... peciation/


Alternative geological models, earthquake prediction, oil and mineral exploration.

Experiments showing amendments to relativity, particularly one-way speed of light... problem of apparent homogenous age in galaxies and stars.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... ces23.html
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=186

Other clocks: C14 diamonds and carboniferous caol, helium in zircons, erosion rates, mineral concentration in oceans,
https://creation.com/diamonds-a-creatio ... est-friend

Alternative explanations for nucleosynthesis and radio-active decay.
https://youtu.be/Xq6kUbLzYCc

Evolution falsified by ENCODE and ENCODE related projects at NIH.
https://crev.info/2017/04/the-4d-nucleo ... -research/


Y-chromosomal Abraham.
mtDNA Eve
http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles ... -years-old

Y-chromosomal Adam.
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Re: GOPcord Q&A

Postby stcordova » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:07 am

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It's helpful to distinguish a non-believer who is a seeker vs. a non-believer who is a scoffer. If a non-believer asks you a question, it's a good chance to practice your response with respect. But don't have any illusions that you can easily change minds. So just take it easy and focus on facts and admit where there are uncertainties.

One of the strongest arguments in favor of God is this, "if there is a miracle, there must be a miracle maker."

When you go to the grocery store, you see cartons of milk which say, "Pasteurized" after the famous scientist Louis Pasteur in 1961 who demonstrated that "life comes from life" and falsified the view of spontaneous generation where it was believed life can come from non-life regularly. So Pasteur falsified the idea that life normally and ordinarily can arise by itself from a lifeless set of chemicals. This has been proven repeatedly and we have a much better understanding in terms of chemistry, mathematics, cybernetic theory as to why this is so.

At the time of Pasteur we only knew that spontaneous generation of life didn't happen, but now we know better why.

Despite Pasteur's success in 1861 in his experiments against spontaneous generation, which by the way were financed by the Catholic church which had a stake in the experiment, an arch evolutionist by the name of Ernst Haeckel remained in denial as late as 1876, where he said:
"If we do not accept the hypothesis of spontaneous generation, then at this one point in the history of evolution we must have recourse to the miracle of a supernatural creation." 1876 Haeckel



Despite the fact experiment after experiment refuted spontaneous generation, Haeckel would not recant his views, even though he himself said that without this theory, there could only be supernatural creation.

Instead of multiple spontaneous generation events, mainstream science has argued for a single highly improbable origin of life which they call abiogenesis. But at some point an event could be so unique it is indistinguishable from a miracle.

Despite all the inflated and false insinuations that life can arise from non-life and over-hyped and misleading experiments claiming they've solved the problem. The problem hasn't been solved, nor do I expect it will, this is like expecting a tornado to pass through a junk yard and make functioning 747.

Nobel Prize winner, the one who discovered the structure of DNA and ushered in the era of molecular biology, Francis Crick:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.


How miraculous. It's gotten to the point a top evolutionary biologist, Eugene Koonin has argued there must be multiple universes outside of our own to make this possible so that we just happen to be in one universe where life emerged. Btw, if there are multi universes, there is probably a universe where Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump in 2016 election.

https://crev.info/2018/03/end-rna-world/

http://programmingoflife.com/programming-of-life/

Now, one additional thing. We have evidence of a miracle maker, but we also have evidence the world is full of suffering. So we have a world that looks simultaneously miraculous but also cursed. These properties agree well with the theology of creation that was cursed because of Adam's sin.
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